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10/20/23
21:23:14

ReadyPlayerOne

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10/20/23
22:11:20

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10/21/23
17:15:05

Coronavirus

Why are there so many f4ggy movies these days? I delete them after 5min of watching.

10/22/23
04:34:48

MeH

It's not good -_-

10/22/23
23:29:44

Bigfishguy

Brokeback Space Shuttle

10/23/23
01:43:28

Oscar2

It's propaganda & brainwashing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing

10/23/23
01:51:37

Oscar2

Have read of Nineteen Eighty-Four, or at least the Wikipedia article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

10/23/23
16:24:27

Cinque_Persson

If mutual love is brainwashing, I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?

10/24/23
01:43:38

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

A typical response from LGBTQI members or supporters, is to get personal and attack anyone that doesn't agree with them. Congratulations.

Its not about love. You can love someone without needing sexual relations with them.

As for myself, it has nothing to do with hate. I don't care what sexual preference, or political view, or religion, or whatever a person has, but don't try to force everyone else to believe what you believe, and then cancel or ridicule them into silence, which is truly hateful. That's why the majority won't express their views. That's the brainwashing & propaganda.

My views are purely scientifically based, and are the product of many years of thought an reflection.

I respect your right to have opinions and express them.
I respect your right to be prejudicial toward me and say nasty and hurtful things to me, without knowing anything about me. Thank you.

10/24/23
03:40:33

MeH

@Oscar2
Definitely true. They're after lust and call it love! Love for all!!!
And this whole thing has become an agenda for them. I always wonder why they have spent a huge amount of time and money to push this to everybody's mind. There are many other problems in this world which affect a lot more people than this, and yet they don't care about those problem this much.

10/24/23
03:57:06

GMarx

The hateful voices are the loudest

10/24/23
04:25:23

MeH

They = Western governments/states and establishments

10/24/23
05:17:18

Oscar2

@MeH

"""I always wonder why they have spent a huge amount of time and money to push this to everybody's mind"""

I think because they sense & don't want to admit that their behaviour may be incorrect (in a biological sense) and therefore want to force everyone else to validate them as behaving normally.

10/24/23
17:28:54

timt

@MeH Comes from the same old philosophy that when someone evil goes down, they will drag someone with them as not to be alone. Always going after the good as their target.

10/24/23
17:52:04

Cinque_Persson

"incorrect (in a biological sense)"

And you personally are Biology and therefore all the gay and lustful mammals must be non-existent and be treated with horror?

"They're after lust"

So what? That's what we are born with.

"They = Western governments/states and establishments"

Poor boy, instead of just killing you off "they" nudge you to post nonsensical rants in full anonimity into the public sphere. What an uber heavy burden to carry.

"There are many other problems in this world which affect a lot more people than this"

And there's millions of other entertainment to consume, too. That just doesn't help with any of the existing problems either. Always funny to watch traumatized people rationalizing their fantasies of violence by spinning around all sorts of intellectual constructs and beliefs. The universe just doesn't care what a small pimple at the end of its bottom does believe in or not. Just take a bit care of yourself and maybe get a life, e,g. by helping actual people with real problems.

10/24/23
19:13:25

timt

It's amazing how some people can use a lot of words to seem intelligent and explain nothing. Bravo!

10/24/23
20:35:03

Cinque_Persson

I explaned that your explaining is at the heart of the problem. Didn't want to get it? Only adds to the diagnosis.

What's even funnier is the picture of Kochs, Thiels and Elons laughing their heads off over a glass of good old single malt and masses of one-eyed and elite-babbling morons defending their game of monopoly with exactly the "propaganda" they've been offered. "C'mon here buddy, have a sip. Atta boy!"

10/24/23
21:14:00

timt

@Oscar2 Hit The nail on the head! Getting it is easy. making sense of it would be foolish. Again Bravo!

10/25/23
02:22:10

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

have a read of the first section
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior particularly the last paragraph """In October 2023, biologists reported studies of animals (over 1,500 different species) that found same-sex behavior (not necessarily related to human orientation) may help improve social stability by reducing conflict within the groups studied"""

The animals are not doing it as a substitute for male & female reproduction.

Do you understand what sex is for in humans (& other mammals)? It didn't evolve as a form of entertainment. Lust in humans is the biological urge to mate. Male & female developed through evolution as a means to reproduce,and perpetuate the species. This is what is meant by biological correctness. For at least 4.5 million years this is how all the various human species have reproduced and must, therefore, be considered as normal reproductive behaviour.

Anything other than this is a choice or a matter for psychology. It is not possible for two gay men to conceive a child with each other, which should be quite obvious.

"""Poor boy, instead of just killing you off"""

Are you saying we should be killed because of our opinions? Really? Killed? Is this not the height of hatred?

What happened to the love of your fellow human?
What happened to the basic respect we should show each other, because we are the same?

And you say we should be killed? Do you really believe this?

Bruv, I weep for you and for what this world has become.

10/25/23
04:06:38

Cinque_Persson

"Are you saying we should be killed because of our opinions? Really? Killed? Is this not the height of hatred?" ... and further nonsense.

Nope.

Given the absolute power and destructive aim of "THEIR" conspiracy it would be far more practical to do so instead of hoping some thoughts might be wobbled into the minds of the unwilling by throwing media content into the open those can just easily turn their backs on, if they wish to do so. Instead they (you) are ranting and opinionating. THEY therefore must be a bunch of complete idiots totally ignorant of mass psychology. But what is THEIR power then? A mere tapestry inside your chosen reality tunnel.

This citation is a bit circled around your tapestry, too, there's a lot more to think about than "reproduction": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals for a start, then digest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology#Causes_of_homosexuality for a start into some other minds thinking about and researching the things that are.

To make a long story short: being tricked by tricksters into believing being tricked by other trickster through means of using your body anxieties and paranoias doesn't exactly turn you into a hero or a wise mammal. Nor does citing the one sentence on a Wiki that plays to your monotheistically grounded theory of sexuality and "natural" behaviour.

10/25/23
04:49:08

Bigfishguy

Yes humans are born lustful, we are born sinful in nature, that's the great dilemma all humans face... should we act out in our sinful, lustful desires? Or should we exercise self control, choosing to substitute lust for true love with the a husband or wife? which leads to procreation, which leads to children.

You either have self-control and will reserve your lustful desires for your husband/wife, or you share you're lustful desires with anybody you find attractive...

Good, child bearing love with your loved one (not your lusted one..) or wicked sinful lusts which does not, and CAN not lead to children... cause biology.

Good or evil, which do we choose?...

Remember. God is watching...

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

God bless..
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10/25/23
09:22:17

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

You wrote this "''Poor boy, instead of just killing you off"""" and when I ask you what you mean, you call it nonsense. WTF dude.?

I wrote """ have a read of the first section """", which means the WHOLE section. I'm not hiding anything from you, I gave you the link. I quoted the scientific conclusion, because it is important.

""""tricked by tricksters into believing being tricked by other trickster""" I am not quite sure what you mean by this.

"""citing the one sentence on a Wiki """
At the bottom of the page in the Bibliography and References sections there are many links to further reading, not just one sentence.

"""that plays to your monotheistically grounded theory of sexuality and "natural" behaviour"""

Why did you mention religion? I didn't. I'm talking about accepted scientific fact. Biological science is not a theory. Natural reproductive behaviour is not a theory.

Don't you believe in science and the scientific method to discover the nature & truth of how the universe works? What do you believe then? Only the people who agree with you?

You have no counter arguments for any of my scientifically based statements. Don't you believe the humans reproduce via the male and female.? Don't you believe in science?

I not possible to condense many years of research into a few sentences. Do your own research if you are so interested in the subject. Nothing you have said has caused me to reconsider my position.

How about if you stop being insulting for a start?
Maybe reflect on what you believe & do your own research. Of course, you don't have to research or think for yourself. You can stick to what you've been told, and keep being nasty & hateful to those who disagree with your views.

You can't pick & choose which bit of scientific fact to believe.Not accepting basic fundamental biological facts about human reproduction, among other things, is worrying.

10/25/23
16:15:24

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

Re: the links you posted.

Did you even bother to read the articles? If you did, I don't think you understood them. All of them are still theories in the research stage. There are no definite, provable conclusions. These theories have been recycled and revived and reviewed for over 30 years now.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

"""Biological theories for explaining the causes of sexual orientation are favored by scientists.[1] These factors, which may be related to the development of a sexual orientation, include genes, the early uterine environment (such as prenatal hormones), and brain structure."""

Taking the examples from the above quote, the article theorises that if it is a genetic cause, it is the result of a deviation from normal genetics which would have otherwise resulted in a heterosexual human.

If it is the mother's prenatal hormonal state that is the cause, then if the hormonal state had instead been normal ,then it would have resulted in a heterosexual human.

If the brain structure is the cause, then that means whatever caused the change, if it had not happened, would have resulted in normal brain structure and would have resulted in a heterosexual human.

There are two mentions of DNA in the References section of the article, a theoretical paper from 1993 and an article from 2018.

The 1993 paper (ref id 36) is worthless because of it's very small sample size of only 114, barely enough to form a theory in the first place, and is about genetic deviation. So if a genetic deviation had not occurred, then the result would have been a heterosexual human.

The 2018 article (ref id 54) discusses research into four newly identified genetic variants which also were correlated with some mood and mental health disorders. So if person didn't have these genetic variants then the result would have been a heterosexual human.

Whichever way you look at it, homosexuality is a deviation from the norm, which might have various causes, but nobody is scientifically sure, and the implication is, if these adverse conditions had not occurred, then the homosexuality would not have resulted.

If you don't want to believe in science, especially the science in the articles you directed me to, then that is your right

People have the right to be as they wish, believe and do what they want .,etc as long as it doesn't adversely affect others or "tread" on their rights. Don't force us to blindly accept your views without evidence. Don't threaten us with harm or demean us, or ridicule us. No one here has done any of those things to you. Get rid of the hate & anger, bruv, its not good for you. Be as you want to be.

10/25/23
16:43:15

Cinque_Persson

All of them are still theories in the research stage.

Exactly, but you are constructing the "truth" of a despicable "abnormal" and spice it up with infowartainment about "THEM" ...

People have the right to be as they wish, believe and do what they want .,etc as long as it doesn't adversely affect others or "tread" on their rights.

Exactly my point, too but you started adding to the hatemongering (-> stochastic terrorism) against gay people in general and framing a movie into "THEIR" conspiracy, a topic which completely vanished from your plate as soon as I added a little logic to it.

10/25/23
23:05:29

MeH

@Cinque_Persson
"Poor boy, instead of just killing you off ..."
"Given the absolute power and destructive aim of "THEIR" conspiracy it would be far more practical to do so ..."
So we should be thankful to them for not killing us because of our outlooks? And who said they have "absolute power"?!!! Are they God? They even can't defeat their enemies like Taliban in a bloody war which killing is justifiable. And yet you believe it's "far more practical!!! to kill hundreds of millions of people who don't accept their views and values!

"nudge you to post nonsensical rants in full anonymity into the public sphere"
They have no control on RMZ and that's why we can post our views here. Go post something against their views/grand policies on Instagram, Twitter, etc. and see how quickly the post is deleted.

"hatemongering (-> stochastic terrorism) against gay people"
People here are expressing their non-acceptance of homosexuality and not hatred. It's your (mistaken) biased conclusion which is projected onto us.

""THEIR" conspiracy"
Well, It's a fact and no conspiracy. They have made it into an element of liberal democracy and hence promoting it in full force.

BTW there are 2 kinds of people involved in homosexual sex: 1. Those who are genetically programmed to do so and have no other choice. 2. Those who have no inner urge to do it and yet do it for adventure/fun.
I think the first kind is nothing but a genetic disorder just like hemophilia. And I believe if scientists study enough homosexuals (say more than 2000), the conditions which result in a homosexual child will be discovered and thus this deviation can be prevented by testing parents before giving birth to a child.

10/25/23
23:29:35

MeH

"hoping some thoughts might be wobbled into the minds of the unwilling by throwing media content into the open"
It seems you have never heard the word 'propaganda' before! Therefore I advice you to read the ground-breaking book Manufacturing Consent by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky.

10/25/23
23:36:25

MeH

Of course "I advise you" is correct.

10/26/23
01:19:18

Oscar2

@MeH

Well said.

10/26/23
01:33:58

timt

@MeH I agree!

10/26/23
02:30:09

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

""""you are constructing the "truth" """
No I am not. I am directing you to scientific facts, and you are purposely twisting them as you have been taught to.

"""THEM"""
I have never made any moral judgements here. I am only pointing to the scientific facts. If you can't accept or understand them, that's your issue.

"""but you started adding to the hatemongering (-> stochastic terrorism) against gay people in general"""

No I haven't. I have never made any moral judgements or suggested courses of action. You are displaying hate-mongering with death threats and hurtful insulting statements which you don't even have the decency to apologise for, or at least retract.

"""framing a movie into "THEIR" conspiracy, a topic which completely vanished from your plate as soon as I added a little logic to it."""

Not true. You keep bringing new elements into the conversation, and I am responding to that.

The proliferation of homosexual themes in movies and elsewhere is propaganda and attempted brainwashing of the young in particular, so as to force everyone else to accept and validate their behaviour as being normal and acceptable.

But it cannot be considered normal. Normal is expressed by the normal distribution curve, and is the majority of something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution

In humans, about 95+% of the world's population is heterosexual. Therefore, heterosexual is considered to be normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

The article has 132 References.

I'm not sure if you really cannot or will not understand, or have been truly affected by the propaganda, or are just having a laugh at our expense

The science & statistics from multiple sources is clear. If you refuse to accept them, that's your problem.

You have no compelling arguments or proof to back-up you position.
You use death threats and insults to try and silence us.
You accuse us of things that you have fabricated.
You twist the truth when it suits you.
You keep referencing some sort of hate conspiracy which does not exist.

All part of the "playbook" on how to silence the majority.

10/26/23
19:52:57

Cinque_Persson

"purposely twisting them"
I said: there is a lot of discussion and therefore no such thing as the "truth" you are speaking of.

Therefore you have to switch the topic to a statistical "normal" and label its "anormal" as "genetically" sick. We know that sound, don't we?

A lot of people cannot taste bitter, see the same "normal" colours, can taste music, etc., etc., etc. ... so why sexuality? What's so special about it? And why do you even care, as most people outside of areas of war are rather rarely driven to homosexual encounters anyway? I know: because of "THEM" and all the rest of going around in circles starts right from the beginning.

Constructing a lot of stupid categorizations and alllegations that cannot be proven in broad daylight seems to be the trump card here. And using Chomsky to label any depiction of homosexuality as "Propaganda" is kicking one of the brightest old media guys besides McLuhan in the balls. He doesn't deserve to be misused like that. Nor does McLuhan. Blame Bernays, he was an arsehole. And try to have a look, who's investing in what you are parroting. A look in both directions, without neglect, just once.

And as a humerous aside a little ditty of guerilla ontology by RAW for all friends of friends of the normal: https://robertantonwilson.bandcamp.com/track/committee-for-the-surrealist-investigation-of-claims-of-the-normal

10/27/23
02:44:12

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

Yes, you twist and make up stuff to suit your narrative, without addressing the undeniable facts.

"""no such thing as the "truth""""
Something Trump would say. Yes, Truth exists, it's called Reality it's called Fact, how the Universe really is, the way things really are.

Normal is important because the LGBTQI Lobby groups are trying to force us to believe that their lifestyle is normal, when the figures as indicated earlier clearly show that about 95+% of the world's population is heterosexual. Do you deny this figure?
If the figure was the other way around, you and the LGBTQI Lobby would be endlessly quoting and 'hammering' us with it.

"""Constructing a lot of stupid categorizations and alllegations that cannot be proven in broad daylight seems to be the trump card here"""
I gave you many links to proven scientific facts. Nothing was constructed by me.

"""stupid"""
When all else fails, go on the attack, call them names, ridicule them. Right? Typical tactic you have been taught to use & have used before.

"""A lot of people cannot taste bitter..."""
In this case then, the normal distribution curve will statistically show the relative proportional population distribution. ie., what percentage of the population cannot taste bitter. If it is indicates most people, then the statement: 'In humans it is normal to be unable to taste bitter. ' Is a perfectly reasonable & scientific statement. So, what point are you trying to make? That you don't like the word normal? It is not a moral value judgement as you think, it is an important statement of fact.

"""What's so special about it? And why do you even care"""
About Normal? Because it's the reality, it's how things are. How can we function in this world otherwise.

"""THEM"" This again.

Your last paragraph seems to be about a conspiracy. Is this a QAnon thing? If so, go to subreddits r/QAnonCasualties and r/ReQovery for help. There are some compelling conspiracy theories (and proven ones) but QAnon's are all disproven rubbish.

Do you realise that your responses and techniques are the same as the Anti Climate Change Lobby? And most of them have now reluctantly accepted the the truth of the science and have finally accepted reality. Or don't you believe that the worlds weather patterns are rapidly changing?

10/27/23
15:43:32

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

Still twisting around what I write?

"Truth exists, it's called Reality it's called Fact, how the Universe really is, the way things really are."

Yep, but how to approach and describe it is human and therefore relative and prone to bias and errors, in flux and an ongoing social / scientific debate. The articles list a lot of different angles and they do clearly not state one thing: that there is an accepted "truth" in the statement: "'THEY' produce movies about homosexuality as a means of 'propaganda & brainwashing'".

And that's what this still is all about.

– " ... so why sexuality? What's so special about it?"
– "About Normal?"

No. Not capable of understanding a three plus five word question? If you have to constantly twist around what people write, you are either completely biased and not capable of seeing what's right before your eyes or committed to a mission. "THEY" then would boil down to: 'It takes one to know one.'

Concerning the definition of "normal": as you clearly state to want to genetically correct nature, you yourself define the bigger statistical value as healthy and the rest as deficient. What authority there or elsewhere tells you, your definition has any "truth" to it? It's just belief, your valueing, not "truth" and there's no authority to be found that says more than: if you have sums A and B that add up to 100, you still have only 3 numbers: A, B and 100. And that's it. You might give these numbers a meaning , if you wish (e.g. by using potential impregnation as "the goal of the egoistic gene" – but what about hundreds of years of techniques of contraception?), but calling your construction of meaning "the truth" is just ridiculous. It's numbers on the one side and a belief system on the other. That's it.

This is something RAW humouristically layed out, not QAnon follow 'the dots' aka 'your own associations', but quite to the opposite, as he has been laughing his head off about the same biased or paranoid CTs popping up again and again and again. He did have a lot of fun fcking around with all kinds of belief systems and ever shifting paranoid versions of "THEM". He started writing about the drive to search for "THEM" more than 50 years ago. Still the same stories floating around, if not more than ever since.

"Do you realise that your responses and techniques are the same as the Anti Climate Change Lobby? And most of them have now reluctantly accepted the the truth of the science and have finally accepted reality. Or don't you believe that the worlds weather patterns are rapidly changing?"

Another playing field again? Yet more derailing through associative nonsense? C'mon.

10/28/23
01:39:13

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

You missed the point & relevance again. Your behaviour & learned techniques are exactly the same as the Anti Climate Change Lobby, as Political Parties, as Lobby Groups, as Hate groups, as Big Business Groups, and as any other group that wants to push their views or agenda. i.e, Threaten, insult, misdirect, obfuscate, twist the truth, pick & choose the facts you like, don't address the issues & make it about something else, use newspeak & double think techniques (including the meanings of words), blame somebody or something else, artificially complicate the matter ,etc etc etc.

And you haven't even given your answer to the Climate question that was asked of you.

Robert Anton Wilson? Another element you mysteriously bring in (misdirection?) . I read Robert Anton Wilson before you were born. He was a humorist & satirical writer, poking fun at things. Did you think he was really being serious?
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"""I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"""

"""instead of just killing you off"""

I have been advised not to let these accusations pass. Thy are uncalled for, inappropriate, and insulting.

Do you still stand by these statements?

I demand a retraction & an apology, as any decent human being would do.

10/28/23
02:24:53

Oscar2

Element of my previous post rewritten and expanded upon for clarity, grammar and spelling
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@Cinque_Persson

Your behaviour & techniques are exactly the same as the Anti Climate Change Lobby, as Political Parties, as Lobby Groups, as Hate groups, as Big Business Groups, and as any other group that wants to push their views or agenda.

i.e,

Threaten violence or death

Insult

Misdirect

Obfuscate

Twist the truth

Pick & choose the facts you like, or just deny the facts altogether

Don't address the issues & make it about something or somebody else

Create doubt, uncertainty & confusion by using newspeak & double think techniques to question or change the meanings and/or value of words eg., Normal, Truth

Blame somebody or something else eg., "THEM", "monotheistically grounded theory"

Artificially complicate the matter, to create confusion & doubt

Ignore provable & verifiable evidence & facts, or use any or all of the previously listed techniques.

etc etc etc.

All techniques & strategies used in brainwashing & propaganda.

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"""I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"""

"""instead of just killing you off"""

I have been advised not to let these pass. They are uncalled for, inappropriate, and insulting.

Do you still stand by these statements?

I demand a retraction & an apology, as any decent human being would do.

10/28/23
02:27:44

Oscar2

Still missed something:

should read :

Ignore provable & verifiable evidence & facts, or use any or all of the previously listed techniques to discredit them

10/28/23
03:55:58

Oscar2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

10/28/23
03:59:28

Oscar2

"""Newspeak incorporates doublethink, as it contains many words that create assumed associations between contradictory meanings, especially true of fundamentally important words such as good and evil, right and wrong, truth and falsehood, and justice and injustice. """

10/28/23
04:08:47

Oscar2

Doublespeak

Derived from Newspeak & Doublethink.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak_Award

10/28/23
11:29:04

Cinque_Persson

Poor boy, instead of just killing you off "they" nudge you to post nonsensical rants in full anonimity into the public sphere. What an uber heavy burden to carry.

"""instead of just killing you off"""

"I have been advised not to let these pass. They are uncalled for, inappropriate, and insulting.

Do you still stand by these statements?

I demand a retraction & an apology, as any decent human being would do."

Still derailing and twisting around what I write? Why can't you just once stick to the topic and what is clearly there?

I already answered that above with a clear "No", as it is a total nonsensical misrepresentation of what I wrote.

If you are not able to see the difference between "they" and "I", it's rather senseless to try to communicate about anything else.

And yes, I read all the books and authors you mention and then some. But neither physics nor biology nor literature are turning the statement "'THEY' produce movies about homosexuality as a means of 'propaganda & brainwashing'" into a scientifically proven "truth".

10/28/23
12:16:44

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

Either you really cannot comprehend, or are incapable, or a Troll having a laugh.

"""I already answered that above with a clear "No", as it is a total nonsensical misrepresentation of what I wrote."""

How is it a "nonsensical misrepresentation"? It's a direct quote of what you wrote.

And still I demand a retraction & an apology, as any decent human being would do.

10/28/23
12:22:04

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

You write:

"""I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"""

"""instead of just killing you off"""

And now say that it doesn't mean what it says, and that I have somehow changed the meaning? WTF?

10/28/23
12:27:16

Oscar2

Looks like an example of:

Create doubt, uncertainty & confusion by using newspeak & double think techniques to question or change the meanings and/or value of words

10/28/23
16:44:41

Cinque_Persson

My post:

MeH:

Have a look for yourself. Here I'm ridiculing the idea, that "THEY" (still unclear who exactly 'Western governments/states and establishments' is, but definitely not me) made a huge effort to manipulate you/people by producing content you dislike, while "THEY", being the predators "THEY" seem to be, could as well get rid of adversaries by just killing them.

Too complicated for you?

I wasnt't even citing or addressing you at that point – or are you juggling too many accounts to maintain an overview? Given that, a little more doubt and rigidity of thinking would probably suit you better, if you're really still trying you to convince anyone else than yourself.

10/28/23
16:46:23

Cinque_Persson

My post (again, as quote-tags were filtered out above)

MeH: "They = Western governments/states and establishments"

"Poor boy, instead of just killing you off "they" nudge you to post nonsensical rants in full anonimity into the public sphere. What an uber heavy burden to carry."

Have a look for yourself. Here I'm ridiculing the idea, that "THEY" (still unclear who exactly 'Western governments/states and establishments' is, but definitely not me) made a huge effort to manipulate you/people by producing content you dislike, while "THEY", being the predators "THEY" seem to be, could as well get rid of adversaries by just killing them.

Too complicated for you?

I wasnt't even citing or addressing you at that point – or are you juggling too many accounts to maintain an overview? Given that, a little more doubt and rigidity of thinking would probably suit you better, if you're really still trying you to convince anyone else than yourself.

10/28/23
17:11:02

pirefos

why did a heterosexual romcom provoke such a discussion?!?

10/28/23
17:26:26

Cinque_Persson

From my pov: because some accounts (probably one person) used the comment section here to spread lame conspiracy theories and I just wasn't in the mood to ignore it ;o).

10/28/23
18:58:15

timt

@Cinque_Persson you continue to describe yourself, Blabbering continuously. You're so Funny keep it up!

10/28/23
20:22:46

Cinque_Persson

@timt

Still more tröllspëäch?

Let's have some famous and always the last words, now:

10/29/23
02:37:38

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

"""Here I'm ridiculing the idea, that "THEY" (still unclear who exactly 'Western governments/states and establishments' is, but definitely not me) made a huge effort to manipulate you/people by producing content you dislike, while "THEY", being the predators "THEY" seem to be, could as well get rid of adversaries by just killing them."""

You have missed the point entirely again.

Huge amounts of money & resources are spent to manipulate or change public opinion. Is this not obvious to you?

Need examples? Ok. Here are a few easy ones:

Governments - to make you believe whatever their agenda is. eg., "this war is necessary", "this why you should re-elect us", "we can't raise the poverty threshold because..." etc

Advertising - should be obvious - e.g., "this is the best...", "you need to have this", "what a bargain", "look how much you'll save if.." etc

Capitalism - e.g., "its the fairest economic system for all" , "Everyone is better off" "Its the best system" etc

Climate change deniers - e.g., "it's not real", "its just nature", "what about the economy?", "its a leftist conspiracy" etc

LGBTQI Lobby which is made up of individuals & groups that actively support & promote the LGBTQI lifestyle in order to:
Gain concessions from Governments, eg., marriage, adoption, etc
Use the media to manipulate public opinion, eg., TV shows, news channels, movies, music, literature, internet etc.

It's obvious that there is no single coherent "THEY".

The original post was a question about the increasing prevalence of non-hetero movies:

"""Why are there so many f4ggy movies these days?"""

Is it not obvious who is making these movies? Do I need to spell it out? LGBTQI supporters & members within the movie companies as well as externally, are pushing their agenda, via movies, so as to manipulate public opinion for self validation.

It is becoming clear that you really haven't deeply thought about any of this. Don't take your philosophical queues from a satirist like Robert Anton Wilson. There are others worthy of investigation.

And I'm still waiting on a retraction & apology.

10/29/23
02:47:45

Oscar2

@pirefos

"""why did a heterosexual romcom provoke such a discussion?!?"""

The original post was a question about the increasing prevalence of non-hetero movies, not necessarily about this movie.

10/29/23
19:35:24

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar

Tell me something new. But:

"And I'm still waiting on a retraction & apology."

Do as you wish, there's still nothing in your misreadings I'd find a need to apologize for. Maybe read it another ten times until you spot the difference between a hypothetical "them" and "I".

"try to force everyone else to believe what you believe, and then cancel or ridicule them into silence, which is truly hateful. That's why the majority won't express their views. That's the brainwashing & propaganda."

... is part of another faction's propaganda, that seems to be much more to your liking and in itself obviously is to you an acceptable form of "brainwashing & propaganda". This to me is where "Doublethink" really begins. Turning the generalized and until today widely oppressed group into a generalized group of oppressors and meanwhile ignoring that you're doing just exactly the same you are accusing the generalized "them" of.

I'm part of the majority, am unsilenced against "their" and "their" and "their" (and even "their" brainwashing and progaganda, because in the end it is mostly ideological masturbation relying on the human stupidity of complementing every noun with an inherent "all" and trying to derive generalizations and rules for all to cling to from that. Thus even most sentences about the qualitative state of being of whatever are just "true, in context of" but rarely "true in general". You may find that absolute sincerety in mathematics and derived materialistic sciences, but only if you grasp the proof.

What happens in the media today is in wide part just an early stage of "normalization", the depicting of the "normal" or "unnormal" lives of "normal" or "unnormal" people, who for whatever reasons find wellbeing in living with people of the the same sex and historically have been and still are truly being ridiculed and silenced (e.g. by posts like yours), hatefully and physically attacked, imprisoned and still all too often killed. Because scapegoats are always welcome, if your aim is to form the strong bond of an in-group, today the in-group of the bearers of the "good ole thruth" du jour: anti-reason, anti-enlightenment, anti-pluralistic.

What follows as an excuse for that mechanisms of oppressing others as groups is structurally always the same nonsensical patterns: some belief system tells the "truth", that "they" are "not us" and "their" visibility or even existence is a violation of "the law of" you-name-it. E.g. biology in various aspects, 'holy' old books of diverse origins, cultural role models, watever "reasons" are given for the destruction of empathy towards "the others" are strategies to convince oneself of the "righteousness" of withdrawing human rights and dignity from "the others", always designed to fit to the temporal cultural context of the in-group drive.

And all too often this is the drive of somehow traumatized people, who on the one hand idealize their tormentors and imagine or even put themselves in their place on the other hand, in order to get rid of their own feelings of helplessness and shame they carry since what they suffered. Being in control for a moment, instead of being subjected to the arbitrariness of their tormentors, the beong driven by not well understood strong emotional impulses (and maybe life itself). (Yes, there's been books about that, too, matches often, not in general as there's also psychopaths, anxious herd people, etc., etc.)

"Is it not obvious who is making these movies? Do I need to spell it out? LGBTQI supporters & members within the movie companies as well as externally, are pushing their agenda, via movies, so as to manipulate public opinion for self validation."

Imho just plain wrong again. LGBTQI is a faction a lot of people who support human rights of gays do not support, even a lot you probably think to belong there and therefore cannot differentiate between gay/bi/whatever and LGBTQI. This is just another construction of a too wide pseudo-homogenous out-group.

And why shouldn't that exist? Nearly everybody else produces "self validation". You do. As long as it is true that you "don't care what sexual preference, or political view, or religion, or whatever a person has", take the next step and accept, that their right to live and express their lives, experiences and opinions and "self validation" are just the same as yours. Accept their right not not being used as scapegoats for fearmongers. You do not have to feel threatened of anything, there are no threats in gay love flics, and in rl most homosexuals probably wouldn't even consider to have a loving or sexual relationship with you in particular and against your wishes, anyway. So what's to fear about? If you do away with the tinsel of excuses for your dislikings, it all boils down to a mere

"Thanks, but no thanks. What else is there?"

10/30/23
01:30:56

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

""" I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"""

Your first post to me. You don't see anything wrong with it? Is this how you would talk to a stranger in real life?

Your last post boils down to:

It's all OK, nothing to see here, just ignore it, everything is fine, live & let live, we're not the problem: you are.

Just more techniques. And I'm convinced that you had no knowledge of Newspeak .,etc, before I gave you the links.

You accuse me of propaganda. My FIRST post was providing links to wiki articles on brainwashing & propaganda, because I want to bring them to everyone's attention attention. The brainwasher/propagandist WILL NOT ALERT you.
It should be obvious to you that the brainwasher & propagandist will not reveal their techniques, especially to their targets, because it defeats the purpose. It would be silly & self defeating for an advertisement to say 'hey there viewer, we are going to use a bunch psychological & emotional techniques to manipulate & convince you into buying our product'

You talk about hate. This was never about hate from my end, yet you began with ridicule & insult to me. Why?

The links, evidence, & commentary that I have provided are easily understood by any fair minded thinking person.

You have only provided insult & opinion without evidence or justification: just your opinions

It seems that you are the victim of brainwashing & propaganda techniques, and/ or a perpetrator.

At least readers of these posts got some great examples of how brainwashing & propaganda work, and will be better able to resist them.

It's obvious that you continue to stand by your insulting statements towards me.

I have been more polite & tolerant towards you than you deserve, because you are a fellow human being.

Go away & have a good long think about all this. Reflect upon your words & manner. Maybe your mind will break free & be opened.

10/30/23
03:59:15

Cinque_Persson

Will you ever stop twisting around what everybody can still read? Even your own words, now?

Your post is still up there, it's an accusation of (at first) implied unnamed others (but you make clear who you guess those evildoers are later) spinning "propaganda & brainwashing" and slapping some links to it as a posture of 'look what an authority I am', which is just the same: propaganda against people you, as you express, want to deprive at least of their rights to produce entertainment media, regard as sick and to be genetically corrected. Still unclear what your problem is, though, besides you having a however motivated negative fixation towards the topic.

That sound has a history and tradition and you are making yourself a part of it. You can stop inposturing the humble, polite, tolerant guy, you have it all layed out above point by point and reading again all that, allegations, assumptions, beliefs mixed with twisting and turning, I get a little doubt you yourself have believed half of what you were typing. Maybe you even did, but then, in your case, I'd better not write any more of it down, as - comes the daylight - the inherent struggling, bitterness, neglect, bias and logic contradictions might just jump you right in the face. You could have a good life, too, maybe start looking for it.

10/30/23
05:21:12

Oscar2

@O c s t a r 2
@aka Cinque_Persson

You are probably Cinque_Persson. A very juvenile move.

I am not German. Whenever you accuse somebody of Nationalsozialismus you loose the argument. Do you understand why? Probably not.

You are now embarrassing yourself.

I have been more polite & tolerant towards you than you deserve.

Go away & have a good long think about all this. Reflect upon your words & manner. Maybe your mind will break free & be opened.

10/30/23
05:23:44

Oscar2

@Admin

Could you please delete member O c s t a r 2 and disable its reuse? It's just going to be used to make trouble.

10/30/23
14:33:47

Cinque_Persson

"I am not German. Whenever you accuse somebody of Nationalsozialismus you loose the argument. Do you understand why? Probably not."

... and I am not "O c s t a r 2", too bad noone can read what was written, but as of the anonymous character of accounts, it could have been as well been you yourself, trying to make another point by staging as the imagined adversary yourself. Who knows?

Because that content is gone I can only react as if your words had been directed at me, so:

The next twisting of words. First of all: Who's interested in your nationality? Then: Germany has elected conservative and liberal gay politicians into its parliament. Homophobia has neither been invented there nor is it a hot spot of it today. But we can easily state that it is an ingredient of modern day right-wing populism on an international level.

To the second point: calling Nazis by name is good practice, as long as they match the list of criteria. If it quacks like Nazi… see e.g. Umberto Eco. Just because it has been and is misused during debates does not disqualify using the term per se.

Point three: But I wasn't anyway. I'm sticking to calling out your homophobia and fear mongering, the nonsense you use to legitimize it with and implying an obscure conspiracy to achieve [fill blank with your own fears] by "THEM".

Here's a map of where what you believe to be "arguments" and "truth" has been turned into laws and state policy: https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/

Maybe you'd be able to make some more believers or even friends over there? But be warned: homosexuality always lurks around the corner as soon as you hug them not 'hard' enough. Better stay away from that or dress it up as a buddy-fight. Wink wink.

And: it still remains unclear what the heart of your problem is, anyway.

10/31/23
04:21:43

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

The account & post that Admin deleted on my request, was a Nazi salute used to end letters: which I will not republish. A thinly veiled accusation.

Nationalsozialismus refers to the ideology. My usage is correct.

Whenever you accuse somebody of Nationalsozialismus you loose the argument. Do you understand why? Probably not.

AND ALL YOU HAVE LEFT IS THE PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES.

-- Again with this "THEM" fixation of yours

-- Again, baseless unproven accusations.

-- Again insults & yelling so as to silence dissenting voices.

-- Again Name-calling: now we have "Nazi" & "homophobia", which you don't even understand the meaning of.

Is that it. Is that all you have to backup & rationalise your views?

I clearly stated my position a number of times, with evidence If you can't understand it, then that's your problem.

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Your behaviour is that of a spoilt child who can't get his own way & then throws a tantrum & becomes meaner & nastier.

You are embarrassing yourself.

I have been more polite & tolerant towards you than you deserve.

Its time to 'grow-up'. Go away & have a good long think about all this. Reflect upon your words & manner. Maybe your mind will break free & be opened.

10/31/23
06:28:37

Oscar2

@ @Cinque_Persson & anyone who's interested

Time to reveal some additional propaganda techniques employed by you:

-- Provocation: Using insults, threats, name-calling ("Nazi" & "homophobia" etc. or any outlandish & baseless statement or action so that a person finally 'looses their cool' & says or does something out of 'character'. Then the propagandist can point to the person saying "see, look how bad she/he is, it's not me, its her/him" As a means to Discredit them.

-- Discredit an individual or organisation or group to create doubt & uncertainty about their scientific findings or opinions or area of expertise or character or whatever.

A last desperate effort by the propagandist to 'win'. Very, very despicable techniques. There are a few more things you could have accused me of, but I won't tell you what they are. I'll see if you can figure them out for yourself & have the guts to use them.

You exhibit the fanaticism of the unreasonable individual who cannot or will not comprehend.

Why do you think must we agree with you?
Why are you trying to force us to agree with you?

This is what it was always about. STOP TRYING TO FORCE US TO ACCEPT & VALIDATE YOUR VIEWS & LIFESTYLE.

Understand now?

10/31/23
06:30:21

Oscar2

the smiley face was unintentional

10/31/23
14:43:40

Cinque_Persson

"-- Provocation: Using insults, threats, name-calling ("Nazi" & "homophobia" ..."

A lie, obviously, see above.

"-- Discredit an individual or organisation or group to create doubt & uncertainty about their scientific findings or opinions or area of expertise or character or whatever."

Another lie, also obviously, also see above.

"STOP TRYING TO FORCE US TO ACCEPT & VALIDATE YOUR VIEWS & LIFESTYLE."

Your rights are the same as my rights. You made a point, I made a counterpoint. Stop shouting.

Now everybody still reading this can choose, whether he wants to believe somebody constantly choosing to twist around the words of others on behalf of proving his construction of a great conspiracy or to differentiate between what is there and what is not.

10/31/23
15:49:24

timt

@Oscar2 You should not challenge the Mentally Challenged It's become very obvious that Cinque_Persson would be in this category. Hopefully Cinque_Persson will find the help needed to treat his compulsive behavior.

11/01/23
00:32:27

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

Caps are for emphasis & clarity, not shouting. Because you didn't seem to get the point before I needed to make it unmissable. Since you've misinterpreted the intent, I'll modify future versions.

Just deny what is obviously undeniable and call it a "lie" Whatever you can't argue or counter is obviously a lie, right?. Mazel tov.

"""I'm sticking to calling out your homophobia"""
""" If it quacks like Nazi..."""

Do you actually believe this is not name-calling? Or are you saying that you didn't actually write this. Just unproven baseless allegations in order to Discredit.

"construction of a great conspiracy" Are you still stuck on this "THEM" fixation of yours?

There is another propaganda technique in your arsenal that you haven't employed yet, of which I will not mention yet, as I'm curious to see if you'll use it.

And by the way, your earlier attempt was incorrect. You wrote ""'tröllspëäch""" it should have been spelt Trollsprache, a term not used in German from what I have been told. Or were you trying to be clever? This is why I believe the bogus oscar account was yours. In both cases trying to slip in the "Nazi" implication.

"""I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"""

You still totally ignore your ***Very First Post***, which is Ptejudicial, and refuse to explain or apologise. Is this how you think others should behave towards you then? Is this behaviour you want? If you hadn't started of so nasty & got personal, I would have ignored you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
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Why do you think must we agree with you?
Why are you trying to force us to agree with you?

Stop Trying To Force Us To Accept & Validate Your Views & Lifestyle

The truth speaks for itself.

Go away dude.

11/01/23
00:34:21

Oscar2

@timt

You might be right

11/01/23
04:12:30

Cinque_Persson

Ah the victim card again. At least you already got the first part, so let me explain the second and third:

You: "Whenever you accuse somebody of Nationalsozialismus you loose the argument."

Me: "Calling Nazis by name is good practice, as long as they match the list of criteria. If it quacks like Nazi… see e.g. Umberto Eco. Just because it has been and is misused during debates does not disqualify using the term per se."

You made just another weak point and I told you so. I did not call you a Nazi here, obviously. I even told you I know how often such accusations are misused. But you cannot see that. You merely twist around what is said, so it matches the expected pattern. In your own head.

You:
"It's propaganda & brainwashing"
""construction of a great conspiracy" Are you still stuck on this "THEM" fixation of yours?"

If there is "propaganda & brainwashing", implicitely somebody somewhere sometime has to produce it with a specific intent. Then further down you gave that group a name. So in the beginning was an implicit "THEM", then it was a labelled "THEM", but the definition still lacking the individuals responsible, so it's still implicitely an "all of THEM". And as it is "evil things" aka "propaganda & brainwashing" they're doing collectively, this constitutes a conspiracy.

The mere phenomenon, that gay people are depicted more often and more open today than in the past, is enough for you to identify it as "evidence" for the "truth" of this conspiracy, just as the mere existence of one opinion on a whole list of theories and perspectives on WikiPedia is proof of "the one and only truth", if one follows your thinking. Nope, that's just cherry-picking and sloppy associations, not thinking.

"You wrote ""'tröllspëäch""" it should have been spelt Trollsprache, a term not used in German from what I have been told."

So at least you know Germans. Uh, what should that tell us, now? You are not German. From Austria, then? The Netherlands? Luxemburg, France, Switzerland, ...? It tells us probaly nothing, as most of the rest of your text production, always circling around topics without ever delivering something with substance to think about.

"There is another propaganda technique in your arsenal that you haven't employed yet, of which I will not mention yet, as I'm curious to see if you'll use it."

I'm already so eager to hear about this intelligently (without any hint towards its character) announced "propaganda technique" of mine you'll search a name and definition for in my "arsenal". Please be so "polite" to shut the lights and close the door, when you've finished with inspecting it.

You know that up 'til now, your luck in classyfying things correctly has been a little meager. But if you can find a similarity to something I own in my weapons chamber and present the definition after, you clever brat have won the whole battle (excuse the hurtful military metaphors, I just wanted to stay on the same field of topics as you). That's even more clever than Judo! Atta boy! Congrats!

And now for something completely off-topic: "tröllspëäch" was a) directed @timt (you also?) and b) spontanously derived from the senseless umlaut names of metal bands, who often also use fantasy themes. Didn't get it?

And using it to fixate your conscience to "tröllspëäch" was me finally using a highly sophisticated propaganda technique, not even your library of experts seems to have known, yet. It'll lie still, come at you and mess with you, when you least expect it. You probably don't want to believe it now, but you'll understand its overwhelming power, as soon as you see it. Have a look in my "arsenal" for it, too, but to my deep regret, there's no cure for "tröllspëäch", it can never be undone. Fnord.

Back to our hobby:

You:
"It's propaganda & brainwashing"
"Have read of Nineteen Eighty-Four, or at least the Wikipedia article"

Me: "If mutual love is brainwashing, I guess you already drank the Hate-All-That-Is-Not-Like-Me-Kool-Aid some time ago. You probably just didn't have the tools to recognize it, then. And did Daddy really slap you a lot?"

You:
"You still totally ignore your ***Very First Post***, which is Ptejudicial, and refuse to explain or apologise."

Funny you always lose the context in your insistence on the hurt prejudices give you. Come on, feel it! Feel something! It's exactly what you gave "THEM" first. (And - maybe - daddy or mommy or the teacher or the priest or grannie or uncle Ted or the birth of your little brother or ...) all started it many years ago.) Come on, just feel a little.

(Hint: the daddy part has been explained a litle bit further up. Read again, maybe you'll even find some more good hurt in there.)

But then again, given your superior knowlewdge from reading 1984 and some half-digested Wikipedia-Pages, you probably give as much a f*ck about those two sentences as about the rest of my and your own posts, which you pathetically ignore but for some tiny parts to cling to, if you want to pose as the poor little victim. Again: you can stop impersonating, you already laid it all out to see. There's no way back, not even through playing a victim of me (and of course "THEM" and their "propaganda & brainwashing". If you cared about any victims other than your poor self, this whole conversation wouldn't have started in the first place.

And to homophobia: you really consider telling people they should shut up as their lives and loves are "propaganda & brainwashing" and wait until their disease can be geneticaly cured is "polite & tolerant"? Really? Wow, hypocrisy has a new name, since.

@timt

"gnuh gnuh gnuh gnuh gn..."

I just found your tröll ärënä hÿmn, it's really an ëärwörm:
"t-empty, ahm dye nah mite, t-empty, Anna win mah fite ..."

But on ä säd möndäy mörnïng on your wäy tö schööl, it's probably better to listen to a bite of Tiny timt to lift the tîrêd êyêlîds. Këëp'ëm cömïng, but next time don't forget to not answer to me, when you're back to Oscar2.

11/01/23
05:42:19

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

Just more of the same Propagandist techniques from you.

"""don't forget to not answer to me, when you're back to Oscar2"""

We are not the same person. We have posted to each other in the past& I keep a copy of ALL my posts & REPLIES, and WHERE they were posted.

Want proof? And look at the time stamps of each of our posts, genius, it's obviously from different time zones. Or is it that timt can't be a real person because she/he supports my views. Right?

"""" "gnuh gnuh gnuh gnuh gn...".............""" and further ranting directed at timt .

Dude, seriously, you are blabbering incoherently. Your thinking now is disordered & illogical. Your accusations & intense anger are just more of your same techniques - Insult - Misdirect - Twist the truth - Create doubt ., etc etc etc ad nauseum

All in order to get your own way.

You are a very mean & nasty person. How does this reflect on your community? What impression do you think you are giving to the wider world?

Your behaviour is that of a spoilt child who can't get his own way & then throws a tantrum & becomes meaner & nastier.

Grow up.

Why do you think must we agree with you?
Why are you trying to force us to agree with you?

Stop Trying To Force Us To Accept & Validate Your Views & Lifestyle

And go away.

11/01/23
12:15:15

Oscar2

@ P la y e r R e a d y O n e

What does """obnipotant""" mean?

"""that will cure our fear""" What fear are you talking about?

Is this Cinque_Persson incognito again, being clever by including himself in the deletion request to throw us off? Very sneaky.

If you have a read of the Member's Area Discussion on page 294, you will see that I eventually asked the Admins to delete my post on this page, after my first reply to Cinque_Persson, which the Admins didn't do.

On page 295 I asked for the bogus account imitating me to be deleted, & Admins agreed & this happened on page 296. Look for the word """DELETED"""

The additional accounts I directed to the Admins are also probably bogus, and intended to make trouble later on, just like the first one.

So what's your point? That you are a Troll & troublemaker? You've shown that in the posts under your real username.

11/01/23
12:26:06

Oscar2

@Admin

Damn that was a quick deletion. I didn't even have a chance to make a copy of it. Could you please post that you deleted it otherwise I'll be accused of making it up.

11/01/23
12:36:04

Oscar2

I'm just asking for one word.

11/01/23
13:21:49

MrMayhem

@Oscar2 Why do you feed the trolls? What's the use? Lol.

11/01/23
13:37:46

Oscar2

@MrMayhem

You are right. Don't want them to get away with it I suppose.

11/01/23
13:41:47

Oscar2

@Admin

So, you don't want me to report website issues or member misconduct anymore, or renew rapidrar?

Cool.

Quid pro quo

11/01/23
18:29:16

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

"disordered & illogical. Your accusations & intense anger are just more of your same techniques - Insult - Misdirect - Twist the truth - Create doubt ., etc etc etc ad nauseum"

Where you see my "anger" I just put up a mirror to timt's behaviour towards me from the beginning.

Up until now not one line of proof for any of your allegations, and no own theses that couldn't easily be shown to be just made up from bogus and beliefs, cherry-picking or misinterpretations, and not one line containig something like an argument countering what I write. As if you believed labelling something "propaganda!!11!1" was the final nail in the coffin.

Nope, having delivered a statement is the point in time after which you have to provide the proof for your statements and allegations. This is reality, not some kind of fantasy. And in reality you have to deliver. Obviously you just cannot, or do you? Probably still stuck inspecting my "arsenal" preparing your revelations of my "techniques"?

11/01/23
20:17:35

Cinque_Persson

Oscar2

@Admin

So, you don't want me to report website issues or member misconduct anymore, [u]or renew rapidrar[/u]?

Cool.

Quid pro quo

Politeness in plain sight.

11/02/23
00:44:02

Oscar2

@ alle Deutschsprachigen

Ich möchte mich im Namen von Cinque_Persson für seine Unterstellung entschuldigen, dass man durch das Sprechen der deutschen Sprache irgendwie automatisch zum Nazi wird. Er ist eine Kartoffel, und ich glaube, er versucht, mich mit tröllspëäch-Umlauten zu verzaubern

11/02/23
00:50:12

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

More tröllspëäch ?

Reminder to self.

Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls
Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls
Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls

11/02/23
09:31:03

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

So, being polite is suddenly bad now? That's very Blackwhite of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwhite

Oh, and mind your own business. I was talking to the Admins not you, and I have said much, much worse to them in the past.

Sheiße, Reminder to self, again

Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls
Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls
Don't feed the Trolls Don't feed the Trolls

11/02/23
14:31:10

Cinque_Persson

"Oscar2
@ ll German speakers

I would like to apologize on behalf of Cinque_Persson for his insinuation that speaking German somehow automatically makes one a Nazi. He is a potato and I think he is trying to charm me with tröllspëäch umlauts"
(DeepL)

Just another obvious lie and unfounded accusation. Lying seems to be your last and only resort.

You: "So, you don't want me to ... renew rapidrar ... Cool ... Quid pro quo"

Me: "Politeness in plain sight."

You: "So, being polite is suddenly bad now? That's very Blackwhite of you."

Since when is trying to blackmail somebody, in your case the admins, polite? Maybe you just are a member of the percentile that isn't able to get irony. That would explain some of your behaviour, but still wasn't an excuse for your demonization, lies and false alegations towards others, though.

Still waiting for your big revelation. Or just one provable argument. Stuck in my weapons chamber? The spare key is in the closet.

@ alle Deutschsprachigen

Sie: "Du willst also nicht, dass ich ... rapidrar erneuere ... Cool ... Quid pro quo"

Ich: "Höflichkeit im Klartext."

Sie: "Höflichkeit ist jetzt also plötzlich schlecht? Das ist sehr schwarz-weiß von dir."

Seit wann ist es höflich, jemanden zu erpressen, in deinem Fall die Admins? Vielleicht gehörst du einfach zu dem Prozentsatz, der nicht in der Lage ist, Ironie zu bekommen. Das würde zwar einiges von deinem Verhalten erklären, ist aber immer noch keine Entschuldigung für deine Dämonisierung, Lügen und falschen Behauptungen gegenüber anderen.
(DeepL)

11/03/23
01:34:18

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

WTF. Why would you translate my posts into German? What is up with you? Are you still trying to use tröllspëäch umlaut magic on me?

Mind your own business.
Politeness is not blackmail.
Quid pro quo is not blackmail.
You don't understand. Here are the FIRST lines from the following articles. Did you bother to even check.?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail

"""Quid pro quo (Latin: "something for something"[2]) is a Latin phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services..."""

"""Blackmail is an act of coercion using the threat of revealing or publicizing either substantially true or false information about a person or people unless certain demands are met"""

Where is the blackmail? Your accusations, as before, are easily shown to be false. You are embarrassing yourself.

You are angry and mean now because I provided you with factual info that you don't like and can't counter. The seed of truth has been planted in your mind. The more you 'shit' and 'piss' on it, the faster it will grow.

All you have left are personal attacks. Your previous case & arguments have been entirely abandoned.

Just more of the same Propagandist techniques from you. See all previous posts.

Stop Trying To Force Us To Accept & Validate Your Views & Lifestyle

eg., Here's just one example of a multitude, which includes the rationalisations. A same sex couple in a children's cartoon aimed at 5+ year olds.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/07/entertainment/peppa-pig-same-sex-couple-intl-scli-gbr/index.html

Why? What possible purpose does this fulfill? Is it integral to the story?

Quotes from the article:

""" British safeguarding organization Safe Schools Alliance tweeted: “Really nice to see age appropriate representation of same sex couples on @peppapig with Penny & her two mummies.”"""

But why is it 'really nice' to see this? What's the rational?

"""Another viewer tweeted: “That’s the end of the Peppa Pig phenomenon. What a shame. Education, not indoctrination.” """

Exactly right.

Here is the LGBTQI Lobby in action.:

""" In 2019, campaigners launched a petition calling on the writers of “Peppa Pig” to include a same-sex parent family, to make it more inclusive for all children."""
"""The petition, which attracted more than 23,000 signatures, stated: “Children watching Peppa Pig are at an impressionable age, and excluding same-sex families will teach them that only families with either a single parent or two parents of different sexes are normal. """ But only families with parents of different sexes ARE normal.

Only 23,000 signatures, from millions of viewers.

All this is aimed at convincing & normalising behaviours which cannot be considered normal, as shown in my previous posts. There is no other reason to do this, and now on such a large scale.

It is PROPAGANDA and BRAINWASHING aimed at the most vulnerable: our children. Shame on them.

You really are a Troll, and maybe illicit drugs or a spoilt childhood have affected your behaviour: All I think are highly likely. Check yourself.

Go away and try your Trolling somewhere else, I'm not wasting any more effort on you. Or continue posting your rants to confirm you Trollness. Your Troll games have become tiresome.

11/03/23
19:06:50

Cinque_Persson

Note to Oscar2:

"And that was our daily episode of "Agent 000scar and the curse of the vulnerable cutesies". Be here tomorrrow to find answers to questions like: Will our hero this time stick to his notes? Will he be able to answer to an argument? And will he be able to find the secret weapon in Cinque:Persson's arsenal? Is Cinque Persson Una's missing fifth daughter? And is he or she a Persson at all? Or a wizard of tröllspëäch? And what else will 000scar see in the mirror of milions of laws of nature, god and 23.000 petitioners?"

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"Your previous case & arguments have been entirely abandoned"

If you mean 'ignored' by you, you're having a point there. ; )

"Stop Trying To Force Us To Accept & Validate Your Views & Lifestyle"

Pluralis majestatis? You started that, see above. You just are neither able to swallow, when someone doesn't want to just let that go, nor are you able to base it on something more than belief, cherrypicking and nonfactual or nonsensical allegations.

'If you don't do as I wish I'll do something else to you.' is a clear attempt of blackmailing. You might have first crossed that information in kindergarten. Buying an account to RR is just paying for dls. The forum and how admins act here is something completely different.

Concerning the rest of your ranting:

Check again first, you might have posted that "info" somewhere else. If you've found your way out of my arsenal, you can check your "archive" for it.

The peppa scandal thing:

So what? Is there an imminent danger? Which is exactly ... little people seeing existing things early in life?

(If you ever would answer to an argument: your belive buddies always counter that with: it's "sexualization". Just if that were true, it would logically be the exact same with them seeing mixed sex parents. So to avoid any "sexualization", they would have to pledge for showing them no parents at all. And thus the absurdity of the logic behind the whole point would be laid out in the open. But a lot of people can well live with contradictive beliefs - as long as their inherent absurdity stays well hidden below the surface. But the point is: children of that age mostly neither show much interest in sex in an adult sense at all nor do they really understand the answers to their questions. It's like cats, dogs or apples to them. There's neither feelings nor emotions to it. That's what grown-ups bring in.)

You can argue exactly the same the other way around, just that in that case it all starts to make sense:

Millions of children and young adults were already forced to think they are wrong about themselves through "brainwashing & propaganda" by the means of hiding the normality of their conditions and feelings from what they are allowed to see in their early ages, in libraries, entertainment media and on the streets, thus letting them deduct, they (or those "other" people born slightly different) are wrong, deficient, sick, unclean and infectious, unholy, that there's nothing they can do about their special and lonely conditions and feelings but hide them, all for the goal of not being ridiculed, pushed out of their social relations, circles of friends, jobs and families (and later sometimes getting beaten up, tortured, imprisoned and killed) until some day some wonderful "cure" might heal them from not being "normal" aka somehow not feeling the same for the opposite sex.

All of that just because some hardhead "normals" believe, everybody has to be the same as them, feel the same as them, love the same as them and that is a primary goal set by "name your law or authority here" to bow your head or bend over to. And according to that "law" others deserve to be hidden away, silenced and punished.

Ask people actually having been born different about that. But then, they aren't as vulnerable cutesies, are they? As they are not "normal", they - from this point of view - do not count a sad dog's fart. Neither do their parents. Why didn't they just throw them down the canyon, as the Spartans did with their "deficient"? As the "law" is an unquestionable given, why not just take the short route? (No, you did not write that. In the western countries it's just a metaphor at the moment, but elsewhen or elsewhere closer to reality - still or already - than you probably like to acknowledge. But many of suppressed children felt as if that would have been best for them - until they are able to free themselves from sup- and depression.)

Now you just have to explain why - in front of that tapestry - forcing them to stay invisible is the same as "tolerant and polite" instead of just cruel and twisted for the sake of some reductive definitions of "normal" and a thus made up "law" (which by chance also matches your guts' feelings). Try it.

To summarize this up:

1 Because you believe, a majority in one aspect of personality traits constitutes a group of "normal" people, you are entitled to construct a homogenous group of "not normal" people.
2 Because you think the mere depiction of not "normal" people does harm to toddlers, youth and you, you are entitled to accuse them of all kinds of wrongdoing, e.g. forming an evil coalition to engage in "brainwashing & propaganda" and "forcing to believe" and so it's the right thing to do to demonize and supress them.

Now if such false deductions, ahistorical standpoints, beliefs, constructs and allegations aren't notewothy acts of "brainwashing & propaganda" in themselves, I dont't know what is.

It is an act of legitimizing your negative stance towards homosexuality and the supression of all those who don't share your views, that comes with it. And as there are no legitimate reasons to suppress, some have to be made up. Of course then there's nothing to defend them with but believed in abstractions like "law of nature", "god", "numbers", whatever. And in the end always telling non-believers then, they'd have to shut up and keep your feelings and beliefs untouched, because all else is "forcing", is just trying to close the case still without having delivered any argument. But in fact, nobody forces you or me to write here. You choose to suppress on and fight to legitimize it and rant on and twist and lie and rant on and on and on.

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I give you another point in that you are able to spot small rhetorical means and copy and integrate some of them into your texting. But it is still lacking logic, coherence and thought. It's your guts speaking. As you have already given up doubling down on most of your formerly shown to be false "points" towards me or "THEM", maybe some day you might be able to acknowledge that, also.

I mean, you know for yourself, that you lied several times about what I wrote until now, even insisted on it after my corrections. Why is that even necessary? That alone should set you thinking.

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Änd cöncërnïng thë tröllïng pärt: yöü'rë dëlïvërïng a përfëct ïmprëssïön hërë öf whät thät mëäns, sëë ëg. rïght äbövë.

11/04/23
01:28:07

Oscar2

ascii doesn't work. oh well


TROLL

11/04/23
03:15:18

Cinque_Persson

Ok, so lying also wasn't the last resort, maybe behaving childish finally is?

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A Troll with arguments is a paradox. Maybe look that up on wikipedia, too. While you're there: there's also this nice example of a "Concern troll":

"For example, a person who wishes to shame homosexual people, but disguises this impulse as concern for the wellbeing of children, could be considered a concern troll."

Oops, sorry, here's the original, my bad:

"For example, a person who wishes to shame obese people, but disguises this impulse as concern for the health of overweight people, could be considered a concern troll."

How could I mistake one for the other?

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Instead of acting pertinaciously mulish, why don't you just try to give an explanation how you feel "forced" by the existence and the display of existing phenomena and why they deserve to be oppressed into silence and invisibility, while your own existence has to remain untouched and heavenly floating above all criticism?

(There's a huge hint in this post how to avoid this question just another time and I bet in your mind you've already jumped on it. But the point is: these question will stay with you. Pinky promise.)

11/04/23
03:38:12

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

FYI. I haven't read your last 2 posts, and will not be reading any future ones, because you are just a malicious Troll.

I will continue to receive notifications, so I can 'call-out' your detestable Trollness, and may even automate my response.

TROLL

11/04/23
07:37:31

mankind

@Oscar2 I stopped reading after the first few replies. Just a want to be someone person. All blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah! One who has to insight conflict no matter if its right or wrong. You should feel sorry for Cinque_Persson but that would be foolish and a waste of time.

11/04/23
10:44:11

mptoo

Good lord has this (seemingly) week long back and forth been because two men have emotions and probably kiss in a movie! Seriously who cares this much!?! Good lord people do better

11/04/23
18:38:31

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

"I haven't read your last 2 posts, and will not be reading any future ones, because you are just a malicious Troll."

Of course not, why would you want to read answers? The thoughts and arguments might leave scratch marks on your beliefs. But a Troll with arguments remains a paradox.

Your (and others) first posts started trolling, but you were the one to throw yourself into fighting for a "truth" where there is just beliefs, cherry-picking and unfounded allegations.

And the final question you wouldn't want to answer remains: Why don't you just try to give an explanation how you feel "forced" by the existence and the display of existing phenomena and why they deserve to be oppressed into silence and invisibility, while your own existence has to remain untouched and heavenly floating above all criticism?

11/05/23
00:11:19

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/05/23
00:11:52

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/05/23
03:57:42

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

Me:
(There's a huge hint in this post how to avoid this question just another time and I bet in your mind you've already jumped on it. But the point is: these question will stay with you. Pinky promise.)

You:

FYI. I haven't read your last 2 posts, and will not be reading any future ones, because you are just a malicious Troll.

You:
TROLL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

Me:
Predictable in every aspect of behaviour.

Pinky promise: Still the final question you wouldn't want to answer remains: Why don't you just try to give an explanation how you feel "forced" by the existence and the display of existing phenomena and why they deserve to be oppressed into silence and invisibility, while your own existence has to remain untouched and heavenly floating above all criticism?

11/05/23
04:15:08

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

P.S. If you hadn't read my "last 2 posts", as you claimed, you would not have answered with the exact page containing my citation, which was:

"For example, a person who wishes to shame homosexual people, but disguises this impulse as concern for the wellbeing of children, could be considered a concern troll."

Which had been corrected to:

"For example, a person who wishes to shame obese people, but disguises this impulse as concern for the health of overweight people, could be considered a concern troll."

Therefore: haven't you just been lying once more? Seems to have developped into a habit.

I correct myself again: the last resort to circumventing an answer now seems to be not one of both but the combination of childish behaviour and lying. Learning never stops.

11/05/23
04:16:18

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/05/23
04:20:05

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/05/23
16:23:24

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

"polite & tolerant"
Liar.

Henry Rollins has portrayed it well a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY1MRlMKMc

11/06/23
00:13:11

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/06/23
00:13:29

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/06/23
01:56:35

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

I'd really recommend to take the time and read that wiki page to everybody, as all the others that were linked. Reading them just highlights all the shortcutting, bigotry and lying you're trying to sell as a poor victim, that's oh so "polite & tolerant".

Copypasta doubling down on your lies and unfounded allewgations isn't exactly going to change that self-portrait of yours up here.

You made up so much bs about what I said and about people you probably know very little about, I could do a nice compilation of it someday. Until then, the Henry Rollins song is really hitting the nail hard on the head. A liar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY1MRlMKMc

Lest we forget: Why don't you just try to give an explanation how you feel "forced" by the existence and the display of existing phenomena and why they deserve to be oppressed into silence and invisibility, while your own existence has to remain untouched and heavenly floating above all criticism?

Let's make a deal: copypasting the same lame post more often equals you saying:

'Dude, I just don't know my whys and whatnots, that's why I've got nothing to say, that doesn't fall apart on a little closer inspection and called out to be just the bs it usually is. And that's why now I've got really nothing left to say.'

11/06/23
02:46:40

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/06/23
10:42:28

Oscar2

@Admin

About the trolling.

"""The powers that be in social media can’t just make it about who is saying bad words, try to algorithm their way out of the problem, or play every side in the name of “fairness” when it leaves so many of us to the wolves. They have to make an ethical choice about what they really believe and what ideology they want to represent moving forward. Because they cannot reap the reward of what they have built without taking on the responsibility and the cost of it, too. """

"""The second you treat them as a “constant” or inescapable part of your community, you have given them permission."""

"""At one website I used to write for, everyone constantly remarked that we had the most amazing, thoughtful commenters. How did we achieve this? Easy: a one-strike policy. Complete zero tolerance. Did people complain? Of course they did. But it stopped people with bad intentions from being a part of the community, and it kept all the well-meaning people on their best behavior. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good."""

11/06/23
13:44:30

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

Post 1: thanks for agreeing ; )

Post 2: another round of cherry-picking, unfounded accusations and victimising yourself. What "wolf" asks you to present and defend your beliefs and the arguments you root them on?

This here started with you posting conspiracy bs about "THEM". Even according to your implicit (narrow) definition of trolling that definitely would have to be characterized as "trolling" and "propaganda" in itself.

Under a "one strike policy" I wouldn't have had a motive to answer to you at all, as your post and account would have been deleted instantly. Instead you were doubling down and trying to present (rather weak) arguments for your behaviour and views and still are. (The rest of the negative comments boiled down to name-calling and obvious bs so hollow I didn't even want to react to it.)

Online trolling is defined as "online communication which could incite hatred towards particular groups", "trying to damage reputation by making false comments", "accusing of things not done".

Now compare our posts through that lense.

Painting "THEM" as dark forces that want to "force" you (and who you imagine as your peers) to stop the silencing, suppressing and trolling of in your words "unnatural", "unnormal" people that have to be "genetically corrected", thet you personally dislike and basing that made up threats towards "our most vulnerable" exactly matches that definition. (Details all laid out above.)

Posting thoughts, facts, arguments against your content and making fun of you in an argument you started, entered and continued just isn't. Sorry to counter your views, again.

P.S. Lest we forget: Why don't you just try to give an explanation how you feel "forced" by the existence and the display of existing phenomena and why they deserve to be oppressed into silence and invisibility, while your own existence has to remain untouched and heavenly floating above all criticism?

11/06/23
14:16:57

Oscar2

@Cinque_Persson

TROLL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

11/06/23
23:12:12

Cinque_Persson

@Oscar2

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall,
All the King’s horses and all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.

11/27/23
00:53:40

Beastie

@ Cinque_Persson
"Humpty Dumpty" You stupid idiot

11/28/23
02:48:27

Cinque_Persson

@Beast

A forest - sunlight squeezing through the arms
uplifted by its countless ancient trees.
So fortress-like; her inner royal charms
even the time-worn traveler seldom sees.

What culture lies within? What foreign tongue
is chattered nervously by bird and beast?
What joyful hymns of revelry are sung
which, by my drawing near, in fear are ceased?

My love, those hidden parts I find unique
are those which I would most desire to know.
Dark corners which I least wish you to seek -
the very ones you need the light to show.
Though brighter are the colors from outside,
let's pledge to let no hues within us hide.

11/28/23
04:13:22

Beastie

@Cinque_Persson
lost for words? exhaust your entire vocabulary already?
how is that self fist fucking going?
pathetic asswipe

11/28/23
18:49:01

Cinque_Persson

Nope, but others are so much better in eypressing my admiration of the method acting you deliver. Top job!

11/28/23
22:57:31

Beastie

@Cinque_Persson
?

01/01/24
13:02:06

Beastie

0

07/26/24
10:26:11

waanaabe

OMG! is THIS what it's all about? REALLY? Going on a year now?
I could out-argument and counter-argument you both (you never know who you-re REALLY talking to,right) but choose not to. Does anyone of you hold any degree or life experience any of the things you speak about? (I do, both. English is not my native language but I can hold my own)

I'm saying this because Cinque, homey, you'd be that much more sympathetic and credible if you were gay.If you were gay, you'd probably be aware of the anti-woke sentiment and devides within sub-goups of The LGBTQ+++ as well. And if gay you are, but dare not say, how much do you really believe in what you defend? Aren't you proud or are you in doubt and self-negating? Is this a cathartic exercise? Of course you don't have to say anything, but again, this goes to credibility. Anyone can be a theorist or a Devil's advocate but the voice of someone with skin the game holds more respect, IMHO.

And Oscar, You are very helpful to others around here without knowing their Creeds and Colors, so how much of a right wing "nut job" can you be? right. However, I hate to break it to you, wielding Wiki quote as a weapon is weak. It breaks my heart to say, because I like you and what you have to say in general. And a multiplicity of "they" begets confusion, especially in a back and forth exchange.

Do you know WHY I often sound naive? It's because I will not speak out of turn about something I don't DIRECTLY know ("knowing of" isn't knowing. Knowing of 1984 is not the same knowing it through having read it, to use an example of yours). And again, I know neither of you and won't venture into anything deeper. It really gets tempting, but word to the wise: don't indulge in what you see is wrong.

Meh, whoever he was, tried the voice of reason (he was so right when he said you'd just get removed anywhere else); it didn't work, so why should I even BOTHER. A few bothered, but many ARE bothered. Are you DONE? It's like a car ride to Hell with two annoying kids in the back: it's long enough, so cut us rest some slack in the meantime, we don't need previews. (Figuratively, lest one of you will think I'm religious I saw how fast two jump to conclusions).

In the end, you are both WRONG. Unfortunately, the only common wrong I find with both that you can't let differences rest. You are arguing, holding us hostages, until one breaks. I seen you try, but not without one last poke at the bear.

The fact is, you started with one thing and went all over the map.So let's try this: HOMOSEXUALITY CAN BE BOTH BIOLOGICALLY OCCURRING OR LUSTFUL. IT CAN BE BOTH LOVE AND LUST. ALL HUMANS DERIVATE FROM THE NORM in some way. Is the autistic/neurodivegent person less a deviation from the standard than the homosexual? Should we do away with anyone different? How, by what criteria? Why pick innate sexual orientation as battle ground when we also vary in intelligence, creative potential, physical handicaps, psychopathy/empathy and so many other ways. (Actually, boys are a variation on the standard form: female. We all start as girls until "something in the womb"... (but I digress) So enough with pre-natal conditions. (Argh,I got roped in this argument!)

Gay friends described to me kissing the opposite sex as "nauseating". HUH? Same way I felt trying to kiss within my same sax! WOULD YOU WANT THAT FOR YOURSELF? A lifetime of gagging? I learnt long ago the difference between sexual orientation and sexual BEHAVIOR. THIS S YOUR KEY HERE. BEHAVIOR. ORIENTATION DOES NOT DEFINE BEHAVIOR.

So gays can't reproduce. Neither can infertile heteros. Amounts to the same as a gay couple, no? Do they cease having sex? Should only one LOVING couple have the right? Now, gay men can settle down or run amok: so can straights. Common, guys, level up: don't look for "wrong" with "the other camp", just know what your values are, chose the people in your life are AND DON'T TRY TO ENDOCRINE ANYONE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BELIEFS!

YES there is propaganda ALL KINDS of propaganda: Don't buy into it, don't pass it to others like a disease. MOST LAMBDA PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA. Yes, some loud assholes want you to think the opposite. DON'T BE A PUPPET be it left right Woke or else. BE FREE THINKERS WHO TAKE IN EVERYTHING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

YOU BOTH ARE DIFFERENT thank God for no clones yet AND IT'S FINE. JUST SHUT UP about it now!

This is what happens after months of silence. I lost it. The hymen of my silence is broken. I don't know how you can keep this up. I'm sorry RMZ USERS. I'm going back to my entertainment. No need to worry about me "trolling".

PS: Don't hate me @Oscar2. You said I might not talk to you again after reading this long exchange, We don't completely see eye to eye but I hope we're good. I don't have to agree with everything, nor do you

@Cnque-Persson I don't know what to say, you've always shown but the war paint... and trolling is towards a particular group OR PERSON. It's be nice if you applied the same mind and effort speaking movies of just helped. Unless you like being seen that way?

07/30/24
02:48:51

Oscar2

@waanaabe

Sorry, I missed this post entirely until I was directed to it by Cinque_Persson where c_p is claiming to be you.
https://rmz.cr/static/discussion/members/350#comment-7390389
"I've left you something to chew on inside."

Is this just the c_p troll lying & muddying the waters?

07/30/24
03:47:23

waanaabe

@Oscar
no. Me. and never meant for it to be read. Had no clue what was up for such a long time, the OMG moment had me let off steam. Ignore it. Ignore HIM, the only way it'll ever end.

07/30/24
05:30:41

Oscar2

@waanaabe

"never meant for it to be read"
Then why post it?

"Had no clue what was up for such a long time"
I don't understand this.

"the OMG moment had me let off steam"
Ok. But why press 'submit comment' ?

"Ignore it"
Sorry, I can't. I've been working on a response.

"Ignore HIM"
I was and am.

"the only way it'll ever end"
Has always been when the Troll stops.

07/30/24
07:53:02

Oscar2

@waanaabe

Let me first say what I have always said & firmly believe, everyone has a right to express their opinion.
I don't get surprised often, but this is one of those times.
.................................
"I could out-argument and counter-argument you both (you never know who you-re REALLY talking to,right) but choose not to.

Why would you say this? What evidence do you have? Putting me in my place by implying my inferiority?
.................................
"Does anyone of you hold any degree or life experience any of the things you speak about?"

Again, putting me in my place by implying inferiority
Do I need to list my degrees before posting an opinion? Having a degree is not a measure of intelligence for ALL aspects of life.
A degree signifies expertise in a particular (usually narrow) field. You don't need a degree to be allowed to contemplate & discuss other topics.
Life experience? Plenty of it.
.................................
"English is not my native language"

Nor is it mine.
.................................
"I hate to break it to you, wielding Wiki quote as a weapon is weak."

Why is it weak? Expressing an opinion about "controversial" topics without any evidence will be usually rejected by those with a differing opinion.
Wikipedia is a convenient reference to point to. Pages with "controversial" topics are monitored closely & there is always a References section with links to academic papers.
Another put down
.................................
"Do you know WHY I often sound naive"
I never thought such a thing. I thought you were just being polite & civilised.
.................................
"I will not speak out of turn about something I don't DIRECTLY know ("knowing of" isn't knowing. Knowing of 1984 is not the same knowing it through having read it"
Why do assume this, and that I haven't read it?
.................................
"It's like a car ride to Hell with two annoying kids in the back"
So, I'm like a child now? Another put down.
.................................
"I saw how fast two jump to conclusions"
The troll does, because it's trolling, but I don't. Another put down.
.................................
"In the end, you are both WRONG"
The only wrong thing I did was to try reasoning with an (unknown at the time) troll
.................................
"Unfortunately, the only common wrong I find with both that you can't let differences rest"
I'm accepting of differences of opinion, but I was trying to reason with an (unknown at the time) troll
.................................
"The fact is, you started with one thing and went all over...........HOMOSEXUALITY........."
I don't accept most of this & I stand by my previous arguments & evidences.
.................................
"standard form: female"
Exactly correct. Which is why men have nipples. But that doesn't explain LGBTQI+.
.................................
sexual orientation is psychological not genetic. sexual BEHAVIOR is chosen & environmental.
sexual physicality is genetic/biological.
.................................
"So gays can't reproduce. Neither can infertile heteros. Amounts to the same as a gay couple, no?"
No, it's not the same thing. A male & female couple (of any species) have an evolutionary biological potential for reproduction, which is the WHOLE purpose of the male & female forms.
Two males have no evolutionary biological potential for reproduction. Their sexual act is mimicking biological reproduction.
Also, the same outcome (no children) does not mean that the reasons for the outcome are equal, equivalent or even similar.
.................................
"Should only one LOVING couple have the right"
For children? Yes.
EVERY male & female has the inherent potential to biologically reproduce. Some choose not to, as is their right. Some choose the way of LGBTQI+ and give up that biological right.

For MILLIONS of years, the basic "building block" of human society has always been the family unit comprised of male+female+children.
Our brains & psychology are predisposed to this mammalian norm. Suddenly, in the 21st century of the christian calendar this is being questioned & opposed by a small minority.

Also, Love has nothing to do with reproduction (or sex)
.................................
"propaganda.....BE FREE THINKERS"
That's what I was trying to point out. Hopefully it was useful & made somebody question & think.
.................................
"You said I might not talk to you again after reading this long exchange, We don't completely see eye to eye but I hope we're good. I don't have to agree with everything, nor do you"
That's why I suggested that you read it. It would have been better had you expressed all this at that time.
.................................
"PS: Don't hate me"
I don't hate easily, I'm not shallow.
I usually feel sorrow, disappointment & embarrassment.
I am very embarrassed at not being aware of your long held opinions earlier.
.................................
This could all have been expressed to me without the disrespectful put downs. I have never spoken to or treated a reasonable person like this. (except for trolls)
.................................
At least the troll is happy about all this
.................................
Peace.

07/30/24
09:03:05

waanaabe

@Oscar

You were ignoring him, but how did you end here? https://rmz.cr/static/discussion/members/350#comment-7390389 leads nowhere that I see?. On my end I found this page while looking for older suggestions of yours, and did not understand what "read this exchange (link) but you might not want to speak anymore afterwards" referred to. Never noticed it before.

I consider you a friend, still I was in shock finding the "Big Bang" moment of this 10+/- month public animosity! "That's IT"??? Which is why I wrote here, forgotten page that it seemed. I did not mean to send -not as is anyways- so left if open to edit down. In the middle of multitasking within RMZ I never thought it sent; opened pages of all kinds were slow, ads everywhere, some pages timed out and I closed others (includng this one I thoguht.)

Pay IT no mind -just months of pent up frustration, wishing away that LONG feud, then finding out, with its origin, and how easily it COULD have just ended: "agree to disagree"-. I SHOULD have ignored. But all that fuss for so long, all of us hostages? I felt I was allowed ONE, however clumsy, interjection.

Keep paying HIM no mind- let him speak last even t it dies down slow- let's just enjoy our Entertainment

PS: see? You know being concise does not come naturally to me. It's not easy today, being concise if a- you don't want to be misconstrued and B- you don't want to offend. Too little words can seem dismissive; too many, too careful, with a risk of erring. I'm neither an asshole or a wet rag. Working on my balance. With that, See ya

07/30/24
10:50:15

Oscar2

@waanaabe

"You were ignoring him, but how did you end here? https://rmz.cr/static/discussion/members/350#comment-7390389 leads nowhere that I see?."

I ended up here after checking my bookmarked pages.
I keep some bookmarks of interactions with other posters.

07/30/24
10:58:45

waanaabe

@Oscar2

Hey.. no disrespect, ever.

You had me right the first time around. I am polite and civilized. Fact is, this subject is too elaborate. And this is not the place. In fact, those are the two core issues of why it turned to trolling, with the original discussion getting lost with translation over time, leaving nothing but insults.

I see you are proud and hold strong beliefs. Nothing wrong with that! However, going back to PLACE, this is why I'm surprised that I didn't "say what my beliefs were from the start". I can't he;p but not wanting to be offensive, to anyone, in a place that is NOT set up for that. And being embarrassed by what exactly? You might be "preaching to the choir" so-to-speak (don't take "preaching" literally) without knowing.
Again the subject borrowing from multiple disciplines, did I ever say I was "woke" for example? I accept Homosexuality. But to what degree and In what context?

I'll tell you anything in private if you ever care. I just erased HOURS of careful writing. I was trying to see it from different points of view. But I don't want to be misconstrued again. Never meant to "put downs". I hate fighting. I meant dome things as warnings, how things can be perceived. I apparently can't even represent myself as I am.

I already wrote too much, given my thesis is "this s not the place to"!

07/30/24
13:08:55

Oscar2

@waanaabe

"And being embarrassed by what exactly? You might be "preaching to the choir" so-to-speak"

I'm NOT embarrassed by my views or what I have written. I am embarrassed at not being aware of your opinions earlier .

Did you first read this page on 26 July 2024?

07/31/24
04:51:54

waanaabe

@Oscar2

Yes, I only came by this page a few days back.

You know that "preaching to the choir" means we have things in common. I DID tell I liked the doc "What's A Woman?" You could have inferred some common thoughts against transitioning (children, in any case) and wokism.

No one can know another's beliefs about anything without any prompts, and I don't see other's opinions are something to be embarrassed by. Knowing one is an independent thinker and not a mouthpiece for a group/cause (nor a troll) is good enough for me; and insofar as the dealings of this site go, even more than required!

08/12/24
08:16:08

waanaabe

@Oscar2

I liked Escape with Invisible Hands. The possibility of retain integrity while dealing with difference...

The defacing of the mural by aggressive invaders to suit their worldview was appalling beyond words and they can't see why. The Boy's art, his testimony of how of the world was, was embraced by all people at first, but taken away do fast!.

And yet,while their attempts to cope in the invaded world had them grow apart, the Girl came back where it stood. Without re-hashing mistakes, in silent understanding, renewed love and loyalty, Boy and Girl TOGETHER get on replacing that mural. Humans are, as Boy tried to sum up for the Aliens earlier, "resilient"; they might need assertive reminders but I get a strong optimistic direction from that couple's example.

08/21/24
00:46:27

waanaabe

@Oscar2

No hypocrisy in people in liking people helping each other!

Again, here was a strong reaction to finding out 10 months later what the fighting, in which everyone were kinda unwilling hostages, was about. To properly articulate and have no misunderstandings, this kinda thing should be a live back and forth discussion on a different platform. I am not Cinque and will not "fight". If I ever offend you it was not wanted.

08/21/24
05:27:37

Beastie

@waanaabe

"@Oscar2" ?

is this meant for me?
fallen for the trolls lies?
or should I assume you are a troll alias?
i am my own self, not him.

a "strong reaction" can be internal if one so chooses.
"hostages"? bullshit! posts can be ignored if one so chooses.
thoughts can remain internal if one so chooses.

no contrition or regret except for getting "caught".
no apology. now useless if a person needs to be reminded.

still cannot fucking understand why you would do that to someone who helped you out so much. then after you ask him for links like nothing happened.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

"will not "fight"."
good. not looking for one.
just pointing some things out.